Customer Testimonials
We had a great experience. They were patient, took the time to answer all of our questions, and addressed every concern we had. We really appreciated the excellent customer service. They also were competitive with other dealerships and willing to work with us.
William Gonzalez is a great salesperson highly recommend him 💯
The staff was very helpful and communicated efficiently. Krista Tiller is a great Sales Rep. she sent pictures and a video walk around of the truck I was looking at and made the purchase a pleasurable experience.
Very good service highly recommended there sales and financing department top notch so if you’re looking to buy a new vehicle in San Antonio make Cavenders Grande Ford your first stop. Ask for Jacob he find exactly what you’re looking for
I got my oil change with the mobile van which they came to my work site it was awesome thanks for make it so much easier for me.
Great experience over all. Kaleb was great, asked all the right questions to get me in the right vehicle. Very patient and informative. Will definitely be coming back with him for my next vehicle and all of the maintenance, which is also great. I’ve done all the maintenance on my previous truck here.Great service highly recommend. Their professionalism is great and they also check to see if everything else is up to par at no additional cost. And the fact that they can uber you or pick up and drop off your vehicle is a huge convenience.Highly ... Read More 
Google - Nov 9, 2026
A Disappointing Experience and a Warning to Other Customers
I am writing this review to warn other customers about our family’s recent experience with this dealership.
My elderly parents purchased a vehicle here early this year, expecting honesty, transparency, and professionalism. Instead, they were overcharged for unauthorized and undisclosed add-on products. Despite explicitly declining these additional products and fees, the finance department included charges in their contract that we had clearly rejected.
We discovered the discrepancies six days later, on the day we picked up the vehicle. When we brought the matter to management’s attention, we expected the ... Read More 
Google - Nov 7, 2026
Felix ramos is an amazing sales person very knowledgeable and help highly recommend come see him
Excellent service
I had a great experience purchasing my first car thanks to Gustavo!
Finally found my dream truck and it was an easy and fun process.
I had a great experience purchasing my new Ford Expedition Max Platinum! My salesman was professional, friendly, and helpful throughout the entire process. He made the buying experience smooth and took the time to answer my questions. I really appreciate his patience and assistance in helping me get into my new vehicle. Thank you for the great customer service! I would definitely recommend him to anyone looking to purchase a vehicle!
Great experience, helpful and friendly staff, excellent value!
We purchased a vehicle from Cavender Ford. The whole experience was so easy. Thanks to Gustavo, Corey and Austin.
Extremely disappointing experience, especially as a returning customer.
I have now purchased two Ford Broncos from Cavender Grande Ford, most recently a 2026 Bronco Outer Banks Sasquatch. Unfortunately, what should have been an exciting experience turned into one of the most frustrating and stressful vehicle purchases I’ve experienced.
From the beginning, communication was extremely poor. I was passed between multiple employees, repeatedly had to reach out for updates, and was initially presented with numbers for a vehicle I wasn’t even interested in purchasing.
I returned on a Saturday ready to discuss numbers and finalize a deal, only to be ... Read More 
Google - Oct 31, 2026
Great service. Friendly and on the ball. I went in for an oil change and got a recall taken take of that I didn’t know my car had. Wonderful experience and I would recommend them to all. Thank you guys!!
We had some translation work done at Cavender Ford, The service was exceptional, and everyone there is super friendly! It’s always a pleasure to visit the dealership.
Great customer service
Smoothest and easiest experience I’ve ever had don’t hesitate to deal with Kitzia, Julian, and Manny!
(Translated by Google) I had a dream, and thanks to this group, I was able to make it a reality. My Bronco is the newest baby of the family, and we can truly say we're part of the Ford family. Thank you to Jorge Luna for all his dedication; he was like an angel sent by God. 🙏🏼🥳🫶🏼
(Original)
Tenía un sueño y gracias a este colectivo lo pude hacer realidad. Mi BRONCO es el nuevo bebé de la casa y podemos decir que somos parte de la familia de Ford, gracias a Jorge Luna por toda su ... Read More 
Google - Oct 30, 2026
Jeremy and Austin were great to work with and made the process seamless.
Great customer service from the time I was searching for a vehicle and made several phone calls to the actual in person purchase! It was top notch and personable. Thank you so much to everyone for the support and customer service especially grateful to Mr. Jorge Luna, he made everything smooth and easy as I.am from out of town. Felt like familia....gracias a todos! The truck is beautiful!
10/10. Very communicative both before and after the purchase, didn’t waste our time when we went to look at the vehicle. We purchased a used Explorer and realized after the purchase was completed that there was wind noise coming from the front windshield due to a gap in the caulking. They gave us literally no issues with getting it fixed, unlike my previous experiences with other dealerships. Will definitely be coming back next time we need a vehicle.
I have never had a good experience at a dealership until I walked in to Cavender Grande Ford. I had the best sales consultant Jacob Rios and the best finance manager Austin Henson. Big shout out to those gentlemen for making my experience one to remember. Overall, I am more than satisfied with my experience and contract. Highly recommend!
I had an outstanding experience purchasing my vehicle at Cavender Grande Ford! From beginning to end, the entire process was smooth, professional, and enjoyable. The staff was extremely friendly, knowledgeable, and respectful, going above and beyond to ensure I was completely satisfied with my purchase.
If there is one person I would highly recommend asking for, it is Miguel Hernandez! He was extremely helpful, professional, and dedicated throughout the entire process. Miguel went above and beyond to make sure everything was taken care of efficiently and that my buying experience was as smooth and stress-free as possible. He made sure ... Read More 
Google - Oct 28, 2026
I’m so happy my husband made the decision to go with Ford Cavender. He’s extremely happy with his F150 King Ranch. Krista Tiller and Kory Perrilloux took care of him, and made sure all the boxes were checked off. Kaitlyn Egdorf in services, and Sam Gonzalez in accessories made my husband’s experience great when inspecting and servicing his King Ranch. Not a long wait time, and always keeping him up to date with the status of his truck. Pete Garza also was great taking care of the financial process for the truck too. Mr. Ogletree as the ... Read More 
Google - Oct 28, 2026
Great place treated fantastic. The staff was awesome including Jesus, Joey, Argi and Austin. Thank you for the great fast experience. You all were awesome.
Truly happy knowing I have a team that can take care of my F150 King Ranch. Ford Cavender Grande is a trustworthy and reliable dealership here in San Antonio. If you are local or close by San Antonio, you should stop by there. With Mr. Ogletree as the General Manager. He has a phenomenal team surrounding him. Many managers in sales, finance, accessories and services like Krista Tiller, Pete Garza, Sam Gonzalez and Kaitlyn Egdorf. As I can say from my experience. Ford Cavender is the best choice I’ve made. Having a reliable and affordable vehicle that meets all ... Read More 
Google - Oct 28, 2026
Very courteous and attentive to my concerns. Caitlyn was professional throughout the entire service and will definitely recommend!
Jacob (salesman) and Emanuel (finance) were excellent and made the process quick and easy! Was in and out of the dealership in about 3 hours for a vehicle trade in and new truck purchase.
Thank you to Cavender for providing excellent customer service by replacing my tire and honoring the warranty. I appreciate them standing behind their products and making sure I was taken care of. Great service and a hassle-free experience. Highly recommend
We had our RV in for oil change and an issue with The hazard lights. It took longer than what we expected, and we weren’t the best and patient customers, but Matt and the service manager remain professional and dealt with us until the job was completed. Customer service was outstanding. and I will be bringing my RV back there for servicing in the future
Cavender Grande Ford has excellent service definitely recommend this dealership to all Ford customers out there.
This dealership was great! I showed up. Krista and William were very helpful and I was out in less than three houra in my new truck!
From front desk receptionist to finance, everything was smooth and made my experience easy!! Krista my sales person also made sure I had everything I needed!! I will definitely recommend this dealership to friends and family!
Great service! Prompt handling of our truck/RV maintenance! Service tech was attentive, polite, professional! She even let me know of some matters requiring attention in the near future!
Great experience purchasing my new truck! Highly recommend Cavender Grande. Salesperson Argie was knowledgeable and courteous!
Advisor Matt was 5 Star customer service. From when I got there I got greeted to when I left. Felt welcomed. Everyone was super friendly.
Brandon, Kaleb and Sam did a great job finding us a truck and outfitting it just like we wanted.
Denise was great joy to work with, from the vehicle pick up to the vehicle drop off. Would definitely recommend servicing your vehicle at Grande ford
My overall experience with the dealership was positive, although I believe there are areas where improvements could make the customer experience much better.
The dealership itself is beautiful, modern, and exceptionally clean. I personally observed staff actively maintaining the facility throughout my visit, which demonstrates an attention to detail that I appreciated. I sincerely hope those standards remain a priority as the dealership continues to grow.
Regarding the purchasing process, I found it to be unnecessarily lengthy. One particular aspect I felt could be improved was having to watch a video while waiting to finalize the paperwork for my brand-new ... Read More 
Google - Oct 23, 2026
Lead time is 7-10 days. NUTS! Apollo 11 took 8 days takeoff to splashdown. How the hell does Ford take 7-10 days. What a joke.
Sadly, we had to get towed here on Friday. Kaitlin took great care of us. Very nice dealership inside and out. 10/5/26 Update to our review and service at Cavender Grande Ford. We got a call from Kaitlin, who also happens to be a supervisor there in the service dept. She said that the "technician" had dropped the fuel tank and the repair for the wire harness to the fuel pump, and the fuel pump itself were filed with American RV Warranty and they only authorized about 1/2 of the repair cost. I called American RV Warranty and they told ... Read More 
Google - Oct 6, 2026
I told the dealership that I would purchase the vehicle If the manager would agree to install new tires ...He Agreed ...So I go to pickup my truck and he only installed 2 out of four....now ain't that a crock of Stuff....really how much Would it have been 300.00 Whole Dollars...Or less....that's why I will never ever recommend Grande Ford to anyone... Really Bad BadWay To get a Sale....and replacing An 02 Sensor..Suck Again....Suck Always.....UPDATE.!!!..AFTER Posting Rating .. I gave 1Star out of 5 A Certain individual Grant Miles Not the Owner As Advertised ... Read More 
Google - Oct 3, 2026
i took my truck on march of 2026 to Cavender Grande Ford the truck first of all the lady by the name Denise Pendergrass answered me like if i was wasting her time of because her manager or supervisor asked her to take care of me because i was only going to go drop of my truck on a Saturday so they could check on it Monday because i had schedule on appointment before taking it and it was for 7 in the morning of Monday but i was just going to leave it Saturday before 4:30 but she was all mad and ... Read More 
Google - Sep 1, 2026
This place has no common courtesy. They scheduled a pick up at 8 a.m. then let me know they didn't have a courtesy vehicle and they would have my car for 7 days to do a diagnostic. The day of pick up comes, I call to verify and was told to make sure to be available right at 8. I move my whole schedule around. 8:30 comes and goes and no one shows up. I call and was told that Matt was supposed to reach out since there was no courtesy vehicle they didn't think to pick up the vehicle. Even ... Read More 
Google - Aug 24, 2026
We made an appointment for an oil change, we get there and we were told that there would be at least a 2 1/2 hour wait. What’s the point of having a service appointment if you don’t in fact, have an appointment? Then they claim they did a tire rotation, but it’s funny because the same tire that had a messed up sensor, was still in the same place after the service and the dust wasn’t even disturbed on the lug nuts. It makes me wonder if they did any service at all. On top of that, I ... Read More 
Google - Jul 16, 2026
AI controlled phone service. Unable to talk to a technician or advisor. When you get a person on the line and she is trying to connect you to a service advisor, you get back to AI. 🤬
I dropped the van off on Tuesday for a simple diagnosis—just to check the steering, brakes, and anything else that might be wrong. They didn't call or email me; I had to go in and ask, only to find out they hadn't done anything yet. I usually trust Ford, but it’s unacceptable that so much time has passed without them performing the diagnosis. Now I have to take the van back without knowing what’s going on—I honestly can't believe it.
If you like being harassed by text and calls till you buy a vehicle.. then this is the place for you...
Came here looking for a vehicle only to be badgered then disrespected then refused a sale on a vehicle because they dont need a bad review... make that make sense....
Was disappointed because this dealership couldn't fix the issue according to them it was nothing they could do after having my Ford Explorer for almost 3 months and had to pay for towing to another Technician which fixed the issue in 2 weeks but thanks to Mr Grant in the service department I wasn't charged for the diagnostic test 🙌🏽
Ford build quality is no longer there. More rust than my 22 yr old vehicle. Cracked cv axle housing and grease coming out on a new truck.
Nick in Sales and Michael in Finance were both professional and easy to work with throughout the purchase process. Unfortunately, my experience went downhill after I signed the paperwork, traded in my vehicle, and took delivery of my new one.
There were several issues that were supposed to be addressed after I took possession because they said I need to leave it there to be corrected. I was told the windshield vendor would contact me to schedule a replacement, but I never received a call. My cabin air filters had a noticeable odor despite the vehicle having supposedly passed Ford'... Read More 
Google - Jun 11, 2026
Stay away ; 10 days after buying had to sign papers with another lender / 11 th day had to take it in for a new alternator , then was told had to bring it back for two new wiring harness. So in less than a month the new truck
Was in at the shop 3 times . No updated communication from service I had to call to
Find out status / tried to
Request my trade in back at the two week mark said it was gone they refused to put me in a same setup but different unit was told no . So bottom line Ford shipped ... Read More 
Google - May 22, 2026
Called ahead of time to have a simple recalibration done. They scheduled me on a day knowing the only lube techs worked on Saturday’s. It was a huge waste of time to come into town at 7am just to be told to leave it there with no way back home. I asked if I could get a loaner of if I can even rent a car and they said no. This experience was a huge waste of my time. Even after buying CPO Gold this stuff wasn’t caught during certification.
Had a very bad experience buying and also service experience. When I purchased the car, there were a few things that needed to be done but to the service center being closed they said to bring the car back Monday. Long story short I had to have my car brought back three times to get everything fixed. Additionally, when the car was brought back, they ended up being a front differential issue that was not caught, obviously during the pre-certification, and then multiple times they kept saying that they didn’t hear it however it was a very obvious issue ... Read More 
Google - Apr 22, 2026
I have been a customer at this dealership for approximately one year. Initially, my experience was very positive; however, over time, I have encountered several ongoing issues that have not been resolved. I do appreciate the manger for reaching out to me, but I'm still where I started. Not sure if my last name is corrected either**
First, my last name has been incorrectly listed in the system since my initial visits. I have brought this to the attention of multiple staff members, each of whom assured me it would be corrected. Unfortunately, as of my most recent visit ... Read More 
Google - Apr 21, 2026
We didn't need another dealership in San Antonio.
This review is related to the service department and my experience with a recall on our 2021 Mustang Mach e. We had previously worked with Denise in service and returned at the end of 2025 for a planned appointment for the recall work. Our car required a software update and the plan was to leave the Mach e there for two days. Long story short, but due to several issues and parts, we eventually got our car back just shy of 12 weeks later! Denise was apologetic in her texts and phone calls with us, and stated she had never had a case ... Read More 
Google - Apr 5, 2026
I made an appointment 2 days prior so it wouldn’t affect the day I had planned and of course I was waiting 2 hours for the oil change to be completed, so I had to cancel my other plans. I don’t understand how an appointment is made but you still have to wait as if you’re a walk in, if staff is not available then changes should be made to the appointment scheduling so people aren’t wasting time or having to cancel their plans.
I bought a car back in novemvber 1st a nissan ultimate 2023. My vehicle was in a terrible accident in December. My insurance paid the bank what the car was worth but all the warranty I added at dealership have not been canceled yet. It's been 3 months since my bank capital one has been trying to contact the finance department to get some answer. But every time you call they send you to a voice mail. I highly recommend not getting any warrantys on your car because if you car gets in a accident they will not cancel because they ... Read More 
Google - Apr 2, 2026
No matter when or how often you call trying to get in touch with the parts department, they never answer and if you leave a voicemail, they never call you back or respond in any way!! Terrible customer service, Terrible company!!!
I bought a new vehicle from this dealership on a weekend. I was trading in a truck and I did not have the payment amount at the time of purchase. I told my salesperson according to credit karma it could be anywhere between 30 and 35,000 and that credit karma is never at accurate. He told me not to worry that the finance people would get the proper payoff amount and get everything taken care of. Well turns out they just threw out a random number between 30 and 35,000 and it was $1,400 short of the actual payoff amount and now they are saying ... Read More 
Google - Mar 10, 2026
Unfortunately I can’t recommend this place hardly any employees, customer service was unprofessional the salesman Gerson Torres only cared to make a sale and didn’t even know how to do his job couldn’t explained anything correct very disappointed definitely not recommend.
Update: after 10+ weeks we were able to finally get the extended warranty refund back, now we are having trouble with the GAP refund. Finance director said refund comes from the bank, mind you GAP was bought through canvender grande Ford. I emailed the bank and said I needed to contact the dealership for this issue... GAP cancellation form was filed April 25th and proof of us not owning the vehicle anymore was presented at the dealership...
Even though sales people here are great, we will never make another purchase at this dealership because the lack of transparency, communication and once ... Read More 
Google - Mar 5, 2026
Parts Dept- I ordered a part through Ford.com on Feb 24th. I never heard anything from Cavender Grande about my order. I called this morning and spoke to Julian who told me my part was in. When I went in during my lunch break to get it I was told by someone else it was not in stock. The person at the counter called Julian while I was standing there and he acted like he did not know anything. Seriously, this is why I HATE going to dealerships but I wanted an OE part. If this is how the ... Read More 
Google - Mar 2, 2026
From a 5 star to a 1 star in 18 business hours.
I completed purchase paperwork on a pre-owned truck from Grande Ford on a Friday evening around 6pm. By the following Monday afternoon I had come to the realization that I'm just not a truck guy. I emailed the sales person and finance manager at 6:30am the next day and asked for my options to return the truck for a different vehicle that suited me better. I heard nothing from either of them. I escalated the call to the general sales manager, JR, by late morning the same day, and was ... Read More 
Google - Feb 14, 2026
I need to post an amendment to complimenting this dealership and here’s why. My wife and I had a great salesman. Very professional and worked with what we wanted versus what he could randomly sell us. However the finance team, total nightmare. They fumbled the ball on payouts for our trade ins and we felt the brunt of their “expeditious” inability to do their job in a timely manner. It wasn’t until the previous lender and I harassed them about the issue that they paid some attention. Cavender Grande Ford said they would fix the issue and refund ... Read More 
Google - Feb 11, 2026
I took my car on a Saturday, they didn’t even touch it that day, and on Monday afternoon, after I called several times I went to pick it up, supposedly they had made the recalls but they did absolutely nothing, they gave me a paper but they didn’t do anything, I took it to another Ford dealer and they repaired it, A terrible experience
Nothing but disappointment from this dealership. They do not honor their agreements and have the worst communication. I would highly caution anyone who considers doing business here. If you do, stay clear of Will and Jacob, they are not trustworthy. Make sure you read all your documents well. They misrepresent the factory warranties on their vehicles to sell you their extended warranty.
What an exceptional experience. Lauren McCurdy found me exactly what I needed and was very responsive! It was truly the best vehicle purchasing experience I have ever had. I would 100% recommend her for not only your fleet vehicle, but personal vehicles as well!
This dealer is good and straightforward, however they will desperately try to get you signing the deal. I requested my credit to be pulled for Ford Credit and Ford Cavender only. However, after disagreeing the outcome of the deal, they decided to pull my credit application with three different lenders without asking me, and even after I’ve stated I’m withdrawing. Please be advised your credit lowers for every hard pull, and Cavender will explain otherwise, however, other lenders will not care.
Manager tried to help and apologize, but don’t expect for them to pull a miracle, and ... Read More 
Google - Dec 24, 2025
I was genuinely disappointed with my recent experience regarding Cavender Grandes pricing and Black Friday promotions. What was presented to me initially did not align with the final numbers, and the lack of transparency left me feeling misled.
Full transparency from me, I had initially chosen a unit that was service demo with a couple thousand miles and changed to a different one that had, for all intensive purposes "zero miles" on the day of purchase. The reason for the change was that after doing the numbers (because yes I shopped at other dealers), I felt that I ... Read More 
Google - Dec 12, 2025
I do I appreciate the fact that I tried to call the regional manager, the general manager of this facility, with no answer back not even that Bryan Burger just continues to hang up the phone on me and he’s a sales manager because he wants me to change my review.
This is for the service department other than that the sales department is phenomenal, beautiful as some would say.
I came in to get a multipoint inspection and she (Elizabeth Mejia) told me that I didn’t have an engine cover until I showed Bryan Burger (the service manager) Proof of it. Not even that the Service Advisor didn’t even give me a time to even show her didn’t handle the situation correctly. not even that they told me they no longer want my service, but Bryan did contact me here recently, and I do not appreciate that. ... Read More 
Google - Dec 4, 2025
This one star rating is for the service department. I took my vehicle into service with Elizabeth Mejia. I have gotten oil changes from her before and never had a problem. I came in a week or 2 later to asked her to do a full diagnostic on my vehicle.
When I got my vehicle back I went to jump start a vehicle I own. I realized that my engine no longer had an engine cover . I when and approached her on the mistake (the technician
name is Miguel Sanchez) she said it never had an engine cover so I with ... Read More 
Google - Nov 19, 2025
I bought a 2023 nissan November 1st with a broken AC system. They will not help no matter how many times i call. Literally ive owner the car for week and they only thing they say ( spoke to denise ) is take the car too nissan this is a ford dealership so if we take it you will be with out a car for a week or two. Its crazy how they wont even get me loaner i take care of my elderly granda who randomly need to be taking to the ER. I cant be with out a car so here ... Read More 
Google - Nov 15, 2025
I had a horrible service at this dealership. The receptionist at the dealership is rude and I waited for more than 2 hours at the service department and then told me they couldn't help me because they assumed my car had no warranty. So I really don't recommend making your car for service here. Then they suggested I take my car to another dealership for service.
Lots of pressure for a five star review got my Ford eco - sport in for repairs on a MAJOR Recall, minutes before they pulled my engine out they let me know they had to do this in order for the repair to be done and I had basically no idea or choice in the matter because of the severity of the safety concerns and major work was done took about three weeks to complete honestly I have no clue on what exactly happened but they were having difficulty and stripped bolts and hardware etc. I was unhappy with all ... Read More 
Google - Nov 5, 2025
I’m writing to express my deep dissatisfaction with the service I received at your dealership. The only reason I purchased my vehicle from your location was because I had no other means of returning home—five hours south of your dealership. Had I had any alternative, I would not have chosen to buy from Cavender Ford.
The level of service, particularly from management, was unacceptable. I found the communication to be dismissive and unprofessional, which added unnecessary stress to an already difficult situation. I strongly urge you to provide better training for your managers on how to respectfully and ... Read More 
Google - Nov 4, 2025
Great experience buying a used car. I purchased a 2019 Ford fiesta from Jeffery Slaughter. He handled everything: from having the car out and ready for a test drive, working hard with the Sales Manager to get my price and maintenance to get the car ready. When I drove the car home, I noticed a vibration at speed. I texted Jeffery, he told me to bring it and he had it ready in an hour. Great service. I would highly recommend working with Jeffery and Cavender Ford as a great dealership.
Don’t waste your time with these guys. Came in to buy a new Ford transit commercial van for our plumbing company. We agreed on a price. They ran my credit, called me back to the dealership to let me know, The finance paperwork is ready took time out of my busy day to make two trips to the dealership, then was told that they made a mistake on the price they gave me and the cost of the van was gonna be roughly $6000 more than the price we agreed on Extremely disappointed. Had I known this upfront would’ve ... Read More 
Google - Oct 16, 2025
Call for services prices and I get transferred to 3 different people, 1 person for each service. If a service advisor can not give prices for services, the dealership isn't functioning properly. This dealership is a hard PASS !
Very sad day, found a vehicle on Cavenders online for 57k plus, tried to make a deal when I got the out the door price, it was $65k, I had no idea how it got to $65k, and the way it was explained to me, it was the extras and a down payment of $2k and they had to make money. Then why advertise at $57k plus??? I was thinking from the start it would be at least $58 plus TTL. I guess this online prices are just to reel you in. Thanks but no Thanks. Sorry...
Definitely the worst experience I had with a dealership on Saturday Oct 4 i took my truck to get oíl change and tired rotation everything was good I went home and later on I went out with the family and I start smelling like something was burning so I open the hood and surprised they forgot to put the oil cap on the engine ..I make the report on the website because it was late and the dealership was already closed...on Oct 6 I call the dealership early and inform them about the situation at first they want me to ... Read More 
Google - Oct 6, 2025
I appreciate the convenience of the maintenance and vehicle pick-up service the team provides. However, I wanted to share some feedback regarding my most recent service. When I scheduled the appointment, I specifically requested a car wash ahead of a client visit this weekend. Unfortunately, the wash was not completed, which was disappointing since it’s included in my service package and was something I was counting on.
Some things were lacking on the experience but other thing with price that helped offset the experience, after the sale theirs still no second key and the receptionist is worthless. 225pm called 10/10 I was told you cannot talk to sales mgr.